Fascsism

[@Reazzurro90]

Umm, my friend is convinced that this site is facsist, is there a way to prove to him that it ISN'T?

[Jim H]

Yeah...he can read it. Other than that, I'm not really interested in proving it's not fascist. Sorry.

Jim

[@Reazzurro90]

Yeah...he can read it. Other than that, I'm not really interested in proving it's not fascist. Sorry.

Jim

Hehe, he told me right befire that he believed me! LOLOLOL!

[Jim H]

I read the posts your friend wrote. He is assuming I am fascist because I wrote "Il Duce" in Mussolini's bio and because I quoted Mussolini in the Flashplayer Movie. That is a bit ridiculous. If that was the case then the History Channel and thousands of other authors and publications are fascist. Tell your friend to get a grip and that this site is strictly historical in nature.

[SM79Sparviero]

Once I read a sentence:
"In fascist people we can see two groups: fascists and anti-fascists"

[Jim H]

???????..You may have to explain that one.

[SM79Sparviero]

It is a joke and a paradox.It means that those people( anti-fascism) who fight a fanatic crusade against a radical idea ( fascism) often become very similar to their enemy without realizing it.

The whole meaning of italian sentencens is sometime difficult to translate.

The original sentence, from Ennio Flaiano an old periodist: " i fascisti si dividono in due categorie: fascisti ed anti-fascisti".

[Jim H]

e meglio in Italiano

[Barbarigo]

I don't think that if someone says "Il Duce" instead of Mussolini is a Fascist. Duce was a title used by Italian fascist "Regime", that means "Chief"; don't forget that "Duce" comes from latin "dux" that indicated the chief of the roman army. It is not a fascist term, it is a term used in Italian, especially in the 1800 and early 1900.
Historically it is correct naming Mussolini "Duce" because this was the title he had; if I call Vittorio Emanuele III "King and Emperor" am I a supporter of monarchy? I don't think so, these were his titles!

Paolino

[@Reazzurro90]

I read the posts your friend wrote. He is assuming I am fascist because I wrote "Il Duce" in Mussolini's bio and because I quoted Mussolini in the Flashplayer Movie. That is a bit ridiculous. If that was the case then the History Channel and thousands of other authors and publications are fascist. Tell your friend to get a grip and that this site is strictly historical in nature.

He actually wrote here???! I tried to explain to him that all around the world people use "Il Duce," instead of "Mussolini." I guess the first tha=ing that angered him was some things I posted that in this site it explains further, and I told him things about the invasion of Greece. ('Course, this was back when we were enemies. Although he sees this site fascist, which I think is rediculous.)

[Kiwiwriter]

I think if you use the phrase "Il Duce," everyone knows what you're talking about. "Obeddire, combattere, creddittere," is a lot more obscure.

Advertising and headlines are the last refuge of a cliche, my father taught me three decades ago when I learned to write headlines. He's right.

[FB]

It is a joke and a paradox.It means that those people( anti-fascism) who fight a fanatic crusade against a radical idea ( fascism) often become very similar to their enemy without realizing it.

The whole meaning of italian sentencens is sometime difficult to translate.

The original sentence, from Ennio Flaiano an old periodist: " i fascisti si dividono in due categorie: fascisti ed anti-fascisti".

Ennio Flaiano was very well known for his argute and funny sentences. He is also the "father" of this one:

La situazione è grave ma non è seria which could be translated as The situation is hard but not serious.

Best regards

[GeneralKommando]

It's normal since 25th april 1945 if you try to talk about italian army in Italy , and what italian army and soldier have done for Italy (not only for Mussolini) you're charged of being a nostalgic a fascist and probably a warmonger.
We waited 60 years to see on TV our president at El Alamein cemetery to pay homage to all italians died there for our country (and also to other nations like brits+commonwealth troops, indigenous troops, and germans)
The equation in some political circles that decided what everyone has to know about wwii was:
italian soldier = fascist invader killer and so on;
german soldier = jews killer, fanatic cruel pitiless,
allied soldier = liberator, but soon after liberation a capitalist invader
rsi soldiers = the worst people in the world, slaves of mussolini that was slave of hitler (although most of rsi where 17/18 years old forced into service)
...
partisans = saints also when they started killing not only nazifascist, but everyone that opposed bolschevist run to power (sometimes also repubblicans or catholic partisans!) but this is another history

In short, there is still a big witch hunting around talking about what "happened" in the years of the war, without giving a juddement.

Yes last Flaiano sentence means the same of english (american to be true): SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.

[Mirage81]

I think if you use the phrase "Il Duce," everyone knows what you're talking about. "Obeddire, combattere, creddittere," is a lot more obscure.

Are you sure this is the correct phrase? I believed it was "Credere, obbedire, combattere"

[Kiwiwriter]

Yeah, I got it out of order. I do that occasionally.

It's like how to pronounce "Potomac." Is the stress on "Po" or "to."