Posted 24 February 2011 - 07:55 PM by Peleliu81
Hey all,
I have read a couple of accounts that the Montebello Lancers provided tank support during the fighting at Magliana, but I could find no description of the type of tanks they deployed here. Any information is greatly appriciated.
Thanks
Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:36 PM by Dili
They had Semoventi 47/32. Maybe also Semoventi 75/18. They are not tanks but assault guns.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 09:36 PM by Peleliu81
Thanks. I knew they had assault guns or SPG's, but I had seen reference to tanks also. Thought they might of had some light ones sprinkled in. Thanks again.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 09:48 PM by Dili
No no tanks in my data. They had AB41 autoblindo.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:12 PM by Peleliu81
Great info, thanks much. slightly off this topic but do you have any info on the Ariete had been sent south of Rome to engage in a flanking attack during the battle, but they were called off after Carboni agreed to the surrender. The one source I was reading said that they had just starrted to engage the Germans when they were called off. It did not mention what elements were involved however. Do you know if this was artillery, armor, or infantry attatched to them that had participated in the fighting here.
Thanks again.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:28 PM by Dili
No, do not have info on that.
Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:42 AM by Peleliu81
Thanks anyway
Posted 25 February 2011 - 02:53 AM by Dili
Might help http://digilander.li...labattaglia.htm
Posted 25 February 2011 - 01:52 PM by Peleliu81
Dili, that is great. Thanks much. The Google translate is a little iffy, but I can pull some info out.
Thanks again.
Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:53 PM by jwsleser
Pelelieu81
Could you provided cites for your sources on the actions of the Montebello and Ariete? It would save some time in trying to track down any additional information.
The R.E. CO. « Montebello » had on 9 September two squadrons of autoblindi (I assume AB 41s with 17 vehicles in the 1° Squadron, 8 in the 2°); a squadron of semoventi da 75/18 (11 vehicles); a squadron of bersaglieri with 8 Breda 30s; and a squadron of bersaglieri with 8 Breda M37s. Attached from « Ariete » was squadron of semoventi da 47/32 (10 vehicles) and gruppo di semoventi da 105/25 (normally 8 vehicles). This is from La difesa di Roma e i Granatieri di Sardegna nel settembre 1943 page 141.
I am not familiar with the unit designations in the Italian mechanized cavalry units. The bersaglieri ‘squadrons’ listed above appear to be two infantry platoons and a machinegun company. Semoventi are normally in batteries/gruppi, not squadrons. However, if the Italian cavalry is like the US cavalry, anything goes.
The semoventi da 105/25 supported the attacks of the « Montebello » on 10 Sept (page 157). If the semoventi da 47/32 are TO&E to the « Montebello », they are likely present as well.
Pista!
Jeff
Posted 27 February 2011 - 11:51 PM by Peleliu81
Jeff, thanks much. This is great info. The source I saw tanks of the Lancers listed as participating was the book Who defends Rome by Melton Davis pg 444 and 448. I am definatley not an OOB guy, but appreciate the info very much.
Thanks again,
TJ
Hey all,
I have read a couple of accounts that the Montebello Lancers provided tank support during the fighting at Magliana, but I could find no description of the type of tanks they deployed here. Any information is greatly appriciated.
Thanks
Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:36 PM by Dili
They had Semoventi 47/32. Maybe also Semoventi 75/18. They are not tanks but assault guns.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 09:36 PM by Peleliu81
Thanks. I knew they had assault guns or SPG's, but I had seen reference to tanks also. Thought they might of had some light ones sprinkled in. Thanks again.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 09:48 PM by Dili
No no tanks in my data. They had AB41 autoblindo.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:12 PM by Peleliu81
Great info, thanks much. slightly off this topic but do you have any info on the Ariete had been sent south of Rome to engage in a flanking attack during the battle, but they were called off after Carboni agreed to the surrender. The one source I was reading said that they had just starrted to engage the Germans when they were called off. It did not mention what elements were involved however. Do you know if this was artillery, armor, or infantry attatched to them that had participated in the fighting here.
Thanks again.
Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:28 PM by Dili
No, do not have info on that.
Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:42 AM by Peleliu81
Thanks anyway
Posted 25 February 2011 - 02:53 AM by Dili
Might help http://digilander.li...labattaglia.htm
Posted 25 February 2011 - 01:52 PM by Peleliu81
Dili, that is great. Thanks much. The Google translate is a little iffy, but I can pull some info out.
Thanks again.
Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:53 PM by jwsleser
Pelelieu81
Could you provided cites for your sources on the actions of the Montebello and Ariete? It would save some time in trying to track down any additional information.
The R.E. CO. « Montebello » had on 9 September two squadrons of autoblindi (I assume AB 41s with 17 vehicles in the 1° Squadron, 8 in the 2°); a squadron of semoventi da 75/18 (11 vehicles); a squadron of bersaglieri with 8 Breda 30s; and a squadron of bersaglieri with 8 Breda M37s. Attached from « Ariete » was squadron of semoventi da 47/32 (10 vehicles) and gruppo di semoventi da 105/25 (normally 8 vehicles). This is from La difesa di Roma e i Granatieri di Sardegna nel settembre 1943 page 141.
I am not familiar with the unit designations in the Italian mechanized cavalry units. The bersaglieri ‘squadrons’ listed above appear to be two infantry platoons and a machinegun company. Semoventi are normally in batteries/gruppi, not squadrons. However, if the Italian cavalry is like the US cavalry, anything goes.
The semoventi da 105/25 supported the attacks of the « Montebello » on 10 Sept (page 157). If the semoventi da 47/32 are TO&E to the « Montebello », they are likely present as well.
Pista!
Jeff
Posted 27 February 2011 - 11:51 PM by Peleliu81
Jeff, thanks much. This is great info. The source I saw tanks of the Lancers listed as participating was the book Who defends Rome by Melton Davis pg 444 and 448. I am definatley not an OOB guy, but appreciate the info very much.
Thanks again,
TJ