• As some of you know, the old forum database was deleted by the previous administrator. I am attempting to paste any retrievable discussions back into this forum using the internet archive. It won't look pretty - but at least we can preserve some valuable information. Feel free to add to the discussions as these old posts are restored.

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  1. FrancoFB

    Horses qty in Fanteria, Montagna, Alpini divsions?

    Yes, 913 horses and mules: 3 in division HQ 345 each for the infantry rgt 144 in the mortar btl 76 in the 47/32 coy
  2. FrancoFB

    Horses qty in Fanteria, Montagna, Alpini divsions?

    it had horses in the '40 TOE
  3. FrancoFB

    Italian Artillery Jun 1940

    comparing the October '39 and June '40 list pieces not in order with same number in the two list: 57/43&57/30: 62 75/27 M.11 horse towed: 1073 75/27 M.11 tractor towed: 268 75/27 M.12: 51 75/18 M.34: 114 75/27 C. K.: 166 100/17 M.14 horse towed: 1325 100/17 M.14 tractor towed: 199 100/17 M.16...
  4. FrancoFB

    Italian Artillery Jun 1940

    List from "Archivio Storico Stato Maggiore Esercito - Fondo F4) idk the book where is locate, labelled " Situazione Artiglierie 1° Ottobre 1939 - XVII" model present / in order / (the list give the forecast delivery quarter from 4th quarter of 39 to 4th quarter of 42, for short i indicated only...
  5. FrancoFB

    Italian Artillery Jun 1940

    Full list from the Montanari book, list labelled: " Situazione dell'armamento di artiglieria alla data del 1° Giugno 1940" model actually present / in order 20 M.35 1088 / 1198 20 for tanks 0 / 760 37/40 100 / 10 57/43 & 57/30 62 / 0 47/32 928 / 2783 47/32 for tanks 0 / 643 65/17 700 / 0 75/13...
  6. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    True, list of convoy arrived before of 25th July...
  7. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    On Regio Esercito page there is the situation in men and artillery for the 10th army at 25 july 1940, near to end of page http://www.regioesercito.it/reparti/artiglieria/odbart.htm
  8. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    Sure there are many mistakes in the Ramius page, example the 48 37/54 in the list, in the link above,
  9. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    Here are not listed 120/45 http://xoomer.virgilio.it/ramius/Militaria/colonie_italiane-libia.html
  10. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    all guns on San Giorgio were twins so 5 twins 100 count as 10 guns, the 254 were 254/45 i nevear heard a 120/45 btry in Libya so early, have you some other info and source?, previously on the 5 120 on "Dati Statistici" i thinked some errors relate to the error on the only 5 100 from San Giorgio...
  11. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    An other trouble for the Allegato 4 the navy had 158 guns, (and 238 mg) for the "Dati Statistici..." at the 10th June the navy coastal defense guns were: ASuW 4-280, 16-190, 19-149, 5-120, 5-100, 5-76 AA 12-102, 11-76 DP 12-102, 26-76 total: 115 guns note: there were not 280 (mortar) in Libya...
  12. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    The corpo di spedizione had 136000 men, 5000 quadrupeds, 13000 vehicles, 40 fighters the complement were 42000 men and 5600 vehicles, afaik just before of war the vehicles sent were very few hundreds the port heavy limit was the unloading of material again you miss the air transport for the...
  13. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    For the "La marina italiana nella seconda guerra mondiale, volume VI: La difesa del traffico con l'Africa settentrionale dal 10 giugno 1940 al 30 settembre 1941, 1978" the peacetime passenger ships capacity of the ports in Lybia were 4 ships at time for Tripoli, 3 for Bengasi and 2 for Tobruk...
  14. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    the annotation is on the table in my edition, the table is a page 122 29249 came from the 10th June to 31st December, and around 66 thousands in 9 day in peace time and the word "sbarcati" can be used also for air transport and again we back to the date error for the situation on the 1st June...
  15. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    For the Attachment Anno 1940, i've the volume I (1st) "Dati Statistici" of "La marina italiana nella seconda guerra mondiale" (edition 1972) where is the same table but with the annotations for june "dal 10": from the 10th I've also La Regia Aeronautica 1939-1943, Volume I, where is reported...
  16. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    actually i think that the army total is right, i've some doubt on the data, maybe it's possible was a situation older afaik the reserve in lybia were estimated 40-60 thousands. i have not the allegato 5 and if i see it i don't remember it, your words are not clear for me
  17. FrancoFB

    Italian forces in ASI the 10th june '40

    We had a relatively clear situation for the June 1st, for the strength if not for the organization thanks to the famous Allegato 4 (Attachment 4), it's available in this section of the forum on the mg thread. The Allegato 4 give a situation before of mobilization i try to assign the divisions to...
  18. FrancoFB

    Info Request On 3Rd Celere Oob In Russia 3 Autocentro di Milano??

    It's also possible that Bugatti get the training in 3° centro and was sent in Russia deployed with an other unit
  19. FrancoFB

    Italian High Industry Economy ?

    High or Heavy industries? i think you talking of second, i never heard of High industry, i've a list of steel factory location but not their production Vado, Savona, Prà, Sestri Ponenti, Bolzanetto, voltri, Pontedecimo all this in Liguria Novi Ligure, Mondovì, Torino, Avigliana, Verrés...
  20. FrancoFB

    Need change name to section

    it's a wrong translation social republic is not the same of socialist republic in italian of sure i think this is true also in english
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