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184º reparto corazzato

jwsleser

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I have been searching for detailed information on this unit. I thought I had a source, but I now find it doesn't answer my questions.

This was the armor unit assigned to the «Nembo». Gli autoveicoli da combattimento vol.2 has a platoon organization, but doesn't specify the type of vehicle. Given it is showing four men per vehicle, I am assuming the vehicles are M14/41.

Arena's Nembo! states the unit has 16 vehicles, a mix of M14s and L6s.

Does anyone have info on this unit?

Grazie!
 
The existence of an armored group within the ranks of the Nembo division (the only paratroop division left to Italy in 1943) is another of those stories stretched by the post-war narrative to exalt the fighting virtues of the Regio Esercito. It should be borne in mind that at the time of the creation of the Nembo the Italians had at their disposal 400 armored vehicles of all types and that is just the minimum wage to equip the armored divisions currently in the field and a few other departments among other things. divided between cavalry bersaglieri and tankers. The fact that a tank department was organically assigned to a paratrooper division is nothing short of science fiction given the era of creation of the great unit. (one of the many in which the division was divided at the time of the 1943 armistice) with the 13th paratrooper battalion, a 47/32 tank gun company and a divisional services company there was also the 3rd group Cavalry squadrons of Sardinia (on L6 / 40) which at first glance could be mistaken for a unit which is also divisional but which in reality was not, in fact it belonged to the cavalry weapon and being a unit assigned to the division which
All the best
Maurizio
 

jwsleser

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Thank you Maurizio

It does appear that this unit did exist. Gli autoveicoli da combattimento vol.2 pp. 737–738 has copy of the order dated 14 June 43 to mobilize at least a tank platoon (six vehicles). It states that the unit was authorized on 15 February 43 (Si sanziona la costituzione del 184º platoon carristi paracadutisti avvenuta sotto la data del 15/2/1943 XXI). On p.105 it mentions the Plotone carristi del 184º rgt. para. on Sardegna with the «Nembo».

From the archives I have a copy of the order dated 30 May 43 ordering the division to Sardegna. In the list of units to go to the island is the 184º reparto carristi.

In Le operazioni delle unità italiane nel settembre-ottobre 1943, p.272, the unit is listed as part of the «Nembo».

I am also working on the 3º gruppo squadroni cavalleggeri di Sardegna and the II/3º rgt. carristi.

v/r Jeff
 
Fabarm L4S Mixed Bag Upland Shoot

jwsleser

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Well I finally discovered why I couldn't find which tanks/armored cars were assigned to the 3º gruppo squadroni cavalleggeri di Sardegna. It wasn't listed as an armor unit in any of the sources detailing the tanks in September 43 The unit didn't have any as it was still a horse cavalry unit.
 
Bravo Jeff ... you are right ... I checked well and your references are correct and moreover a tank department of the Nembo division is also on page 229-230 of the Volume Combat Groups published by SME in the year 1972. ... The problem is that I have never found other evidence of media distributed to that unit there if not a note in a degree thesis by an Italian historian that you can also find on the internet (Braneschi Francesco thesis of LUISS History) which lists a Nembo tank department as equipped with L6-L40 tanks) ... see you .... Hello Maurizio
 

jwsleser

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Good day Maurizio

I have a copy of Braneschi's “Come Nembo di tempesta” storia ed analisi della divisione paracadutisti “Nembo”. As his main source of information was Arena, I didn't see it as providing new research.

What is the title of the 1972 book on the Combat Groups?

v/r Jeff
 

jwsleser

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Thank you DrG

I suspected that was the book, but my copy is 1951. Unfortunately no additional details are provided in that chapter.
 
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