Albanian ports cargo movement 1940-41?

jwsleser

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Not sure what data you are specifically seeking. Here are scans from Dati Statistici. This reflects shipping into Durazzo, Valona, and San Quaranta.

Pista! Jeff
DatiStatistici1.jpg
DatiStatistici2.jpg
 

Dili

Member
I am sorry the question was the difference between Durazzo and Valona. I suppose Durazzo is the big one looking at several photos i have seen while ago, but i am curious about Valona capacity since it was threatened by Greeks, and also had a pipeline from oil fields, so i would also wnated to know how much resources(oil and mineral) came from it.
 

jwsleser

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Staff member
I checked all my books, but none details the amount of cargo shipped to each port in a simple chart. One can go through the individual shipping data in Vol IX of the USMM histories and chart the data to determine how much of the shipping went to each port.

On 30 December, the R.M. stated the potential capacities of the ports were (from La campagna di grecia tomo II p. 957) :

Durazzo - 2,300t materials, 50 vehicles
Valona - 300t materials, 300 animals

I am not aware of any reduction in shipments to Valona due to the Greeks approaching the port. The Italians couldn't afford to stop shipping to Valona due to its proximity to the front.

I would need to read to see if any of the fuels came from Albania. As the charts above indicate, a significant announcement of fuel was shipped from Italy.
 

Dili

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Thanks, that already gives me a proportion which is good.
For Valona my expectation is how much they increased not if they diminished.
From Albania what would came back would be oil from Berat-Devoli and Elbasan oil fields not fuel - no refineries in Albania -, and mineral resources like chrome etc...
 

diciassette2000

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Based on my research, which lasted a few years, I was able to put this data together (on the reception capacity of Albanian ports during the Greek campaign):
Material start-up from Italy (monthly in round figures)
- normal supplies - 95,720 tons
- various-2,270 tons
- completion G.U.-683 tons
- live by civilian population - 6,000 tons
-genius materials -6,000 tons (including deck equipment)
- Supplies for Aeronautics and Marina - 7000 tons
- building name-6000 tons

Port capacity (daily in round numbers)
San Giovanni di Medua
-300 tons at the Intendancy Service
-100 tons to civilians
-200 tons to the genius
Durazzo
- 2000 tons at the Intendancy Service
-300 tons vehicles and quadrupeds
-200 tons Regia Aeronautica
-100 tons genius materials
-100 tons to civilians
Valona
-800 tons all at the Intendancy Service
To be able to reach the foreseen discharge capacity independently of the permanent provisions (construction of piers) the number of boats destined for unloading and transport was increased as follows:
- Port of Durazzo
20 boats and more precisely

-5 Maone of the river type from Venice
-5 Maone from Brindisi
-3 Maone from Genoa (transported by steamer)
-8 Maone civilians hired
Valona bay
-4 motor tankers
-10 Maone of the Regia Marina
-20 motovelieri
-16 Private hired charters
and also for all three ports (in total)
-2 tugs
-2 Maone of the Regia Marina
-5 Maone rented
- Brundusium superhull (for tug use)
-3 motovelieri (San Giovanni di Medua)

In Albanian ports they could be placed under discharge at the same time:
San Giovanni di Medua
-1 steamship of around 1000 tons
-2 small steamships (300-350 tons each)
-5 motovelieri
Durazzo
-6-8 steamers for vehicles and food
-3-4 troops for the troop
-1 steamer for forage and various materials
-1 steamer for quadrupeds
- 2 small fuel steamers
-3 motovelieri

Valona
-2 small steamers
- 4 steamers for troops or quadrupeds
-1 steamer for fuels
-1 forage steamer
-1 steamer for food
-1 steamer for ammunition
-10 motovelieri

For Italy-Albania traffic, the following vessels were used:
For transporting personnel
-21 steamships for a total of 17,000 transport seats
For quadrupeds transport
-9 steamships for a total of 5500 transport seats
For transporting vehicles
-10 steamers for a total transport capacity of 1000 medium-sized vehicles
For transporting foodstuffs
-10 steamers
For transporting oats and fodder
-10 steamers and 12 motovelieri
For transporting ammunition
- 8 steamers
For transportation Fuel
-10 steamers between medium and small tonnage
For various transports
-6 steamers
Refrigerated stations in ports (static)
-3 steamers

All the best
Maurizio

 

diciassette2000

New Member
It was also in the mind of the Command of the Royal Army to be the quintessential port of pity that it did not have enough draft for which dredging and burglary work had to be done in order to reach a decent depth and also in fact had no defense or anti-aircraft defense (like after all almost all Italian bases and ports in 1940-41). They were in fact present only:
-1 120/40 battery (4 guns).
- 2 76/40 anti-aircraft batteries on 4 pieces each.
The situation however did not improve by mokto even during the war that followed ....
All the best
maurizio
 

diciassette2000

New Member
The coastal battery was in effect a 120/45 battery but Durazzo never have a third AA 76/40 battery and never five coastal 120/45 or 40 guns (also in 1942 and 1943)...only a 47/50 (2 guns ) in 1942........
All the best
Maurizio
 

Dili

Member
I have 3 bty from here http://xoomer.virgilio.it/ramius/Militaria/comandi_marittimi_10_giugno_1940.html

Comando Militare Marittimo "Albania" (Durazzo)


Comando Marina "San Giovanni di Medua"


Comando Marina "Durazzo"



3 batterie controaeree da 76/40


4 mitragliatrici da 13,2


2 fotoelettriche di tipo antiquato



Comando Marina "Valona-Saseno"


9 batterie controaeree da 76/40


4 mitragliere da 40/39


8 mitragliatrici da 13,2


16 fotoelettriche di tipo antiquato


1 aerofono di tipo antiquato



Comando Marina "Porto Edda"



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I have in Valona: 4 x 120/40 A 09 Peschiera Bty since Albania in the weapons list i attached have 9 pieces of 120 i assumed that in Durazzo existed 5. Do you have 5 in Valona? or in another place?
 

diciassette2000

New Member
Yes Dili you are OK....I misanderstanding some my data (I Have a tonn of data with many emendaments) and so....
June 1939
Durazzo:
-1 batteria da 120/40 su 4 pezzi.
-2 batterie da 76/40 antiaeree su 4 pezzi.
Valona-Saseno:
-1 batteria da 152/40 su 4 pezzi.
-1 batteria da 149/47 su 4 pezzi.
-3 batterie da 76/40 antiaeree su 4 pezzi.

June 1940
152​
149​
120​
102​
76​
65​
Valona - 3 pezzi da 149/42​
3​
Saseno Est A4- 4 pezzi da 149/47 e 2 da 65mm​
4​
2​
Saseno Nord A2-Saseno​
6​
2​
Saseno​
4​
Saseno​
4​
Saseno​
4​
Saseno​
4​
Saseno​
4​
Saseno​
4​
Saseno​
6​
Saseno​
6​
Saseno​
6​
Durazzo 4x120/45​
4​
Durazzo 4x120/45​
4​
Durazzo​
4​
Durazzo​
4​
Durazzo​
6​
6​
7​
8​
2​
56​
2​
6 pezzi da 152mm antinave, 7 pezzi da 149 antinave, 9 pezzi da 120mm antinave, 2 pezzi da 102mm antinave, 3 pezzi da 76mm antinave, 25 pezzi da 76mm antiaereo, 27 pezzi da 76mm antinave/antiaereo

excuse me
All the best
maurizio
 

Dili

Member
You are listing 2 bty 120 of 4 pieces at Durazzo. Note also total is 9 not 8 so maybe an extra piece in depot?
 
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