OOB for Battle of Keren
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This OOB it's very very composite (1/2/1941- 28/3/1941)..you what days want to show.......
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Maurizio
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Maurizio
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Here a OOB of Cheren Battle (italian OOB for day 9/2/1941)
Piazza di Cheren HQ
-Becana-Zelale-Falestoh Sector:
--2.a Brigata Coloniale
--- 4.o Battaglione coloniale
--- 9.o Battaglione coloniale
--- 10.o Battaglione coloniale
--- 151.o Battaglione coloniale
--1.o Battaglione Granatieri di Savoia (11.o Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia)
--a 65/17 battery
-Dologorodoc-Sanchil Sector:
--2.o battaglione Granatieri di Savoia (11.o Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia),
--3.o battaglione bersaglieri (less a coy)
-- Battaglione “Tipo” Eritreo
--104.o Gruppo Artiglieria da 77/28
--10.a Batteria da 65/17
--a 47/32 battery
-Roccione Forcuto - Monte Amba Sector
--5.o battaglione coloniale
--56.o battaglione coloniale
--58.o battaglione coloniale
--97.o battaglione coloniale
--106.o battaglione coloniale
--2.o Gruppo artiglieria coloniale da 65/17
-Colle Aful-Passo Dobac Sector:
--2.o Gruppo Cavalleria Coloniale (less a squadron)
-Nord-Anseba Sector:
--a coy of bersaglieri (3.o battaglione bersaglieri)
--a squadron of colonial cavalry (of 2.o gruppo squadroni)
-Reserve:
--3.o Gruppo Squadroni di cavalleria coloniale
--Alpine battalion “Uork Amba” (10.o Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia)
--1.a compagnia genio
--106.o gruppo artiglieria autoportato (piana Hogareh area)
--1.o Raggruppamento PAI
--11.a Brigata coloniale (less 56.o battaglione coloniale)
--5.a Brigata coloniale (only HQ and a gruppo artiglieria)
--15.o Gruppo Squadroni di cavalleria (detached)
ROVIGHI , A. : LE OPERAZIONI IN AFRICA ORIENTALE (GIUGNO 1940- NOVEMBRE 1941) - VOLUME 1° - NARRAZIONE . Uff:Storico SME , 1988 .
ROVIGHI , A. : LE OPERAZIONI IN AFRICA ORIENTALE (GIUGNO 1940- NOVEMBRE 1941) - VOLUME 2° - NARRAZIONE . Uff:Storico SME , 1988 .
ARMELLINI,Q.
iario di Guerra-GARZANTI-Milano 1946
BRUTTINI-PUGLISI:L’IMPERO TRADITO-La Fenice-Firenze 1957
ROCCO F-Settore Nord-Cheren-Roma 1950
LOFFREDO R.-Cheren_Longanesi-Milano 1973
CARNIMEO N-Cheren-Casella-Napoli 1950
CALISTI G.-Il Servizio di Commissariato e la battaglia di Cheren-Roma-1966
SME-La guerra in AOI-Roma 1950
Cartella 83-Studi particolari SME- sottocartella 14. - Dislocazione dei Comandi, Reparti, Servizi dell'1.6.'36 all'1.4.'40 (I e II vol.) "pubblicazione Ufficio Storico. Roma
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maurizio
Piazza di Cheren HQ
-Becana-Zelale-Falestoh Sector:
--2.a Brigata Coloniale
--- 4.o Battaglione coloniale
--- 9.o Battaglione coloniale
--- 10.o Battaglione coloniale
--- 151.o Battaglione coloniale
--1.o Battaglione Granatieri di Savoia (11.o Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia)
--a 65/17 battery
-Dologorodoc-Sanchil Sector:
--2.o battaglione Granatieri di Savoia (11.o Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia),
--3.o battaglione bersaglieri (less a coy)
-- Battaglione “Tipo” Eritreo
--104.o Gruppo Artiglieria da 77/28
--10.a Batteria da 65/17
--a 47/32 battery
-Roccione Forcuto - Monte Amba Sector
--5.o battaglione coloniale
--56.o battaglione coloniale
--58.o battaglione coloniale
--97.o battaglione coloniale
--106.o battaglione coloniale
--2.o Gruppo artiglieria coloniale da 65/17
-Colle Aful-Passo Dobac Sector:
--2.o Gruppo Cavalleria Coloniale (less a squadron)
-Nord-Anseba Sector:
--a coy of bersaglieri (3.o battaglione bersaglieri)
--a squadron of colonial cavalry (of 2.o gruppo squadroni)
-Reserve:
--3.o Gruppo Squadroni di cavalleria coloniale
--Alpine battalion “Uork Amba” (10.o Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia)
--1.a compagnia genio
--106.o gruppo artiglieria autoportato (piana Hogareh area)
--1.o Raggruppamento PAI
--11.a Brigata coloniale (less 56.o battaglione coloniale)
--5.a Brigata coloniale (only HQ and a gruppo artiglieria)
--15.o Gruppo Squadroni di cavalleria (detached)
ROVIGHI , A. : LE OPERAZIONI IN AFRICA ORIENTALE (GIUGNO 1940- NOVEMBRE 1941) - VOLUME 1° - NARRAZIONE . Uff:Storico SME , 1988 .
ROVIGHI , A. : LE OPERAZIONI IN AFRICA ORIENTALE (GIUGNO 1940- NOVEMBRE 1941) - VOLUME 2° - NARRAZIONE . Uff:Storico SME , 1988 .
ARMELLINI,Q.
iario di Guerra-GARZANTI-Milano 1946BRUTTINI-PUGLISI:L’IMPERO TRADITO-La Fenice-Firenze 1957
ROCCO F-Settore Nord-Cheren-Roma 1950
LOFFREDO R.-Cheren_Longanesi-Milano 1973
CARNIMEO N-Cheren-Casella-Napoli 1950
CALISTI G.-Il Servizio di Commissariato e la battaglia di Cheren-Roma-1966
SME-La guerra in AOI-Roma 1950
Cartella 83-Studi particolari SME- sottocartella 14. - Dislocazione dei Comandi, Reparti, Servizi dell'1.6.'36 all'1.4.'40 (I e II vol.) "pubblicazione Ufficio Storico. Roma
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maurizio
Excellent Maurizio! You have access to better sources than I. I was using the three phases in the official to organize the data. However in the first phase (2-13 February), Italian reinforcements were arriving during the entire 12 days. As you have indicated, each day has it own OB.
Two comments.
My copy of La guerra in AOI is dated 1952. It doesn't state it is a ristampa. is this the same book?
Schizzo 16 shows a mortar company in the Becana-Zelale-Falestoh Sector. This is likely the company from the granatieri.
My OB for 7 Feb. It is not organized by sector. Source is La guerra in AOI Roma 1952
1st Phase (7 February)
11º reggimento « Granatieri di Savoia»
I btg «Granatieri»
II btg «Granatieri»
III btg bersaglieri
cp mortai da 81
II brigata coloniale
IV btg. coloniale
X btg. coloniale
V brigata coloniale
LXIII btg. coloniale
XCVII btg. coloniale
CVI btg. coloniale
btg. tipo coloniale eritrei «Toselli»`
XI brigata coloniale
LI btg coloniale
LII btg coloniale
LVI btg coloniale
LXII btg coloniale
III gruppo squadroni cavalleria coloniale
IV gruppo di cavalleria coloniale (Not sure of this. it could be the II gruppo cavalleria coloniale)
CIV gruppo artiglieria da 77/28
2 btr. 65/17
10º btr. 65/17
Cp. 47/32
Cp genio
Jeff
Two comments.
My copy of La guerra in AOI is dated 1952. It doesn't state it is a ristampa. is this the same book?
Schizzo 16 shows a mortar company in the Becana-Zelale-Falestoh Sector. This is likely the company from the granatieri.
My OB for 7 Feb. It is not organized by sector. Source is La guerra in AOI Roma 1952
1st Phase (7 February)
11º reggimento « Granatieri di Savoia»
I btg «Granatieri»
II btg «Granatieri»
III btg bersaglieri
cp mortai da 81
II brigata coloniale
IV btg. coloniale
X btg. coloniale
V brigata coloniale
LXIII btg. coloniale
XCVII btg. coloniale
CVI btg. coloniale
btg. tipo coloniale eritrei «Toselli»`
XI brigata coloniale
LI btg coloniale
LII btg coloniale
LVI btg coloniale
LXII btg coloniale
III gruppo squadroni cavalleria coloniale
IV gruppo di cavalleria coloniale (Not sure of this. it could be the II gruppo cavalleria coloniale)
CIV gruppo artiglieria da 77/28
2 btr. 65/17
10º btr. 65/17
Cp. 47/32
Cp genio
Jeff
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This is what I posted for the article. It's also not organized by sector. I wonder how complicated it would be to incorporate sectors and the periodic reinforcements into one OOB. A lot of the info came from
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_de_bataille_des_troupes_italiennes_à_la_bataille_de_Keren, but also from USACAC.army.mil. How accurate does this look to you all?
Italian Forces at Battle of Keren
General Nicolangelo Carnimeo
1 to 6 February 1941
11º Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia [Colonnello Corso Corsi]
– I Battaglione Granatieri
– II Battaglione Granatieri
– III Battaglione Bersaglieri
– 1 Mortar Company, 81mm
XI Colonial Brigade [Colonnello Francesco Prina]
– LI Colonial Battalion
– LII Colonial Battalion
– LVI Colonial Battalion
– LXIII Colonial Battalion
III Colonial Cavalry Squadron Group – Removed and re-inserted during the second battle phase.
XVth Colonial Cavalry Squadron Group – Removed and re-inserted during the second battle phase.
104th/CIV National Artillery Group 77/28
106th/CVI National Artillery Group (5th Brigade)
II Colonial Artillery Group 65/17
V Colonial Artillery Group 65/17
1st Battery Position A
3rd Battery Position 75/15
1st Engineering Company
Italian Reinforcements Added
7 to 13 February 1941
Alpini Battalion “Uork Amba” [Lieutenant Colonel Luigi Peluselli] of the 10th Regiment Granatieri di Savoia
II Colonial Brigade [Brigadier General Orlando Lorenzini]
– IV Battalion
– V Battalion
– IX Battalion
– X Battalion
– 151st/CLI Battalion
V Colonial Brigade [Colonel Ferdinando Oliveti]
– 97th/XCVII Battalion
– 106th/CVI Battalion
– “Tipo” Battalion
II Colonial Cavalry Squadron
I Battalion/60th National Field Artillery Regiment 65/17
XXXVI National Artillery Battalion 105/28
102nd/CII National Artillery Battalion – One Battery 77/28 from Amara
1 AT Battery 47/32 from Amara
1 AA Battery 20 mm from Amara
VI Colonial Artillery Group – with two batteries of the respective Colonial Brigade
XI Colonial Artillery Group – with two batteries of the respective Colonial Brigade
XII Colonial Artillery Group – with two batteries of the respective Colonial Brigade
14 February to 14 March 1941
11th/XI Blackshirt Legion [Consul Ugo Gresele] – Two Battalions
44th/XLIV Blackshirt Battalion
1 MG Battalion from 10th Regiment Granatieri di Savoia arriving from Metemma, Amara
3rd Royal Rifle Company Training
VI Colonial Brigade [Colonel Livio Bonelli] from Amara
– 19th/XIX Battalion
– 24th/XXIV Battalion
– 31st/XXXI Battalion
– 34th/XXXIV battalions
XII Colonial Brigade [Colonel Federico Rocco]
– 36th/XXXVI Battalion
– 41st/XLI Battalion
– 43rd/XLIII Battalion
– 103rd/CIII battalions
IV National Artillery Group 100/17 from Amara
CIII National Artillery Group 77/28 from Amara
XXII National AA Artillery Group 75/46 with two batteries
15 to 27 March 1941
150th/CL Blackshirt Battalion
170th/CLXX Blackshirt Battalion
41st/XLI Colonial Brigade [Lieutenant-Colonel Tito Badi]
– UNK Battalion
– 131st/CXXXI Battalion
– 132nd/CXXXII Battalion
61st/LXI Colonial Brigade [Lieutenant-Colonel Mario Giordano]
– UNK Battalion
– 57th/LVII Battalion
XVI Colonial Brigade [Colonel Manlio Vanetti]
-22nd/XXII Battalion of the 8th Colonial Brigade
– 33rd/XXXIII Battalion of the 8th Colonial Brigade
– 35th/XXXV Battalion of the 8th Colonial Brigade
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_de_bataille_des_troupes_italiennes_à_la_bataille_de_Keren, but also from USACAC.army.mil. How accurate does this look to you all?
Italian Forces at Battle of Keren
General Nicolangelo Carnimeo
1 to 6 February 1941
11º Reggimento Granatieri di Savoia [Colonnello Corso Corsi]
– I Battaglione Granatieri
– II Battaglione Granatieri
– III Battaglione Bersaglieri
– 1 Mortar Company, 81mm
XI Colonial Brigade [Colonnello Francesco Prina]
– LI Colonial Battalion
– LII Colonial Battalion
– LVI Colonial Battalion
– LXIII Colonial Battalion
III Colonial Cavalry Squadron Group – Removed and re-inserted during the second battle phase.
XVth Colonial Cavalry Squadron Group – Removed and re-inserted during the second battle phase.
104th/CIV National Artillery Group 77/28
106th/CVI National Artillery Group (5th Brigade)
II Colonial Artillery Group 65/17
V Colonial Artillery Group 65/17
1st Battery Position A
3rd Battery Position 75/15
1st Engineering Company
Italian Reinforcements Added
7 to 13 February 1941
Alpini Battalion “Uork Amba” [Lieutenant Colonel Luigi Peluselli] of the 10th Regiment Granatieri di Savoia
II Colonial Brigade [Brigadier General Orlando Lorenzini]
– IV Battalion
– V Battalion
– IX Battalion
– X Battalion
– 151st/CLI Battalion
V Colonial Brigade [Colonel Ferdinando Oliveti]
– 97th/XCVII Battalion
– 106th/CVI Battalion
– “Tipo” Battalion
II Colonial Cavalry Squadron
I Battalion/60th National Field Artillery Regiment 65/17
XXXVI National Artillery Battalion 105/28
102nd/CII National Artillery Battalion – One Battery 77/28 from Amara
1 AT Battery 47/32 from Amara
1 AA Battery 20 mm from Amara
VI Colonial Artillery Group – with two batteries of the respective Colonial Brigade
XI Colonial Artillery Group – with two batteries of the respective Colonial Brigade
XII Colonial Artillery Group – with two batteries of the respective Colonial Brigade
14 February to 14 March 1941
11th/XI Blackshirt Legion [Consul Ugo Gresele] – Two Battalions
44th/XLIV Blackshirt Battalion
1 MG Battalion from 10th Regiment Granatieri di Savoia arriving from Metemma, Amara
3rd Royal Rifle Company Training
VI Colonial Brigade [Colonel Livio Bonelli] from Amara
– 19th/XIX Battalion
– 24th/XXIV Battalion
– 31st/XXXI Battalion
– 34th/XXXIV battalions
XII Colonial Brigade [Colonel Federico Rocco]
– 36th/XXXVI Battalion
– 41st/XLI Battalion
– 43rd/XLIII Battalion
– 103rd/CIII battalions
IV National Artillery Group 100/17 from Amara
CIII National Artillery Group 77/28 from Amara
XXII National AA Artillery Group 75/46 with two batteries
15 to 27 March 1941
150th/CL Blackshirt Battalion
170th/CLXX Blackshirt Battalion
41st/XLI Colonial Brigade [Lieutenant-Colonel Tito Badi]
– UNK Battalion
– 131st/CXXXI Battalion
– 132nd/CXXXII Battalion
61st/LXI Colonial Brigade [Lieutenant-Colonel Mario Giordano]
– UNK Battalion
– 57th/LVII Battalion
XVI Colonial Brigade [Colonel Manlio Vanetti]
-22nd/XXII Battalion of the 8th Colonial Brigade
– 33rd/XXXIII Battalion of the 8th Colonial Brigade
– 35th/XXXV Battalion of the 8th Colonial Brigade
Sid Guttridge
New Member
Eritrea 1941 by A. J. Barker (London, 1966) has several appendices giving both British Commonwealth and Italian orders of battle at various stages of the Battle of Keren. However, it appears to be largely based on the official British, Indian Army and Italian Ministry of Defence histories that had already appeared. That said, I think the British/Indian OB holds up pretty well. Only the Sudan Defence Force doesn't get due comprehensive treatment.
Sid
Sid
Sid Guttridge
New Member
FWIW, the Indian Armed Forces Official History of the campaign can be found and downloaded from Internet Archive. And, for once, in books scanned for Internet Archive, the maps have been fully scanned in
East African Campaign 1940-41 (Official History of the Indian Armed Forces In the Second World War)
Sid Guttridge
New Member
Yup. The same is true the official Italian army and navy histories of the campaign. They fall out of EU copyright after 70 years and they were first published in the early 1950s. However, I think the Italian official air force history is not yet available online. All the Indian official campaign histories are available new in reprint from about £13 up. Only the air force and naval ones are not available in recent reprint, but the latter is available on Hyperwar.
Cheers,
Sid.
Cheers,
Sid.