T-821 has been digitized and placed online.
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I was surprised by this, but quite happy to see it had happened. I had been watching the pace of the digitalization of the German records by NARA and was thinking the Italian records wouldn't happen until the German records were completed.
Now I will need to go through my guides and see which files I was considering to purchase.
So many files, so little computer time.
Pista! Jeff
Now I will need to go through my guides and see which files I was considering to purchase.
So many files, so little computer time.
Pista! Jeff
Eugen Pinak
New Member
That's the problem indeed. Even to browse through files takes time. And reading info carefully and organizing it...
The guides help narrow the search, but then one must look at the pages to find what one is seeking. It would be the same looking through the files in Washington D.C. but without the cost of the travel.
I have learned to use the index pane on the right to quickly get to the part of the roll I am looking for. The new file pages are quite distinctive. I also can recognize the first page of an Italian doc, so only look at those pages until I find the one I want. The frame numbers in the guides are a few pages off, with the frame you need being a sightly large number (several digits) than what is stated in the guide.
I am just happy it is now available.
Pista! Jeff
I have learned to use the index pane on the right to quickly get to the part of the roll I am looking for. The new file pages are quite distinctive. I also can recognize the first page of an Italian doc, so only look at those pages until I find the one I want. The frame numbers in the guides are a few pages off, with the frame you need being a sightly large number (several digits) than what is stated in the guide.
I am just happy it is now available.
Pista! Jeff
I will be posting my discoveries - Not complete, i am just doing a cursory view. If someone finds other stuff in some of these volumes i will add .
T821-256 Albanian, Greece road maps. CSIR
T821-260 CSIR
T821-279 DICAT, Armed railways. Employment of armoured units
T821-342 DICAT extensive documents of 1,2,3,4 Legions belong to I Group headquartered in Torino. Daily reports from 1940 of incursions. The most significative are the several maps of batteries locations. It was quite enlightening seeing how they put machine guns in localities that had railway stations even minor. Also 20mm gun in military relevant industries and depots
French airbases and ports and their AA defences.
Drawings of various buildings.
-342 also have a tests - unsuccessful - of Obice da 305/17 against a cement fortification and a metallic casematte in 1933
Also a test with various guns and machine guns against the same cement fortification slit.
T821-256 Albanian, Greece road maps. CSIR
T821-260 CSIR
T821-279 DICAT, Armed railways. Employment of armoured units
T821-342 DICAT extensive documents of 1,2,3,4 Legions belong to I Group headquartered in Torino. Daily reports from 1940 of incursions. The most significative are the several maps of batteries locations. It was quite enlightening seeing how they put machine guns in localities that had railway stations even minor. Also 20mm gun in military relevant industries and depots
French airbases and ports and their AA defences.
Drawings of various buildings.
-342 also have a tests - unsuccessful - of Obice da 305/17 against a cement fortification and a metallic casematte in 1933
Also a test with various guns and machine guns against the same cement fortification slit.
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T821-484 has some infantry TOE at begining , 7, 10,12º Bersaglieri in ASI , Coastal units, anti parachutists including use of dogs in that units, manual from 1942 of artillery employment in ASI (page 336) ; Semoventi ; Anti aircraft: DICAT Bengasi, Emplyoment of Armored and AS division artillery Sept42, 40º Raggr. Artillery AA, diario storico 301 batteria 37/54 at airport 505, others
You can download the files for free.
Lombardia records are file IT 3124 found in Roll 270 and File 3186 found in Roll 278. You can also look up the corps records to which Lombardia was assigned.
Pista! Jeff
DrG
Active Member
Thank you for the synopsis of these rolls! I have checked them looking for information about jets, but I found only documents pertaining to some projects by Secondo Campini, already described in "La propulsione a reazione in Italia dalle origini al 1943" and in "Campini Caproni". Have you noticed any reference to other jet projects, please?
I will warn you if i find anything more.
I have started a systematic cursory review, it was long in the nights and my keyboard was acting up - it still is sometimes. So mistakes and typos abound.
8 Spain economy in 1940
9 German and Italian defence of Greece 1943
10 Brennero defences 35-43
11 Bolzano defence maps 37,
12 41-42 fortication in Italian Yugo border
13 More estern border fortications documents
14 Caporetto bridges, Gorizia Road chart, more eastern border defences
15 more eastern border defences
16 anti parachute, Udine terrotial defence. fortifs in eastern border, Venzia Julia defences
17 Udine Org chart XI corps, Org Chart forces Sicilia
18 fortifs albanian border with Ygoslavia, XXIV corps Goriza defences 1943, Fortifica and strade map of Ita-Yugo border 1939. more eastern side defences
19 more eastern border Uidena
20 Croatia with maps and troops. Geo-military study of Albanian-Greek theatre with Italian forces, Aeronautica against RN
21 Operazione in Sicilia July 43, Yugolavia subversion with maps, Comando Supremo org, Brennero road/rail protection, statistics german force sin Italy, actions against Italian coastal areas and ports, list of Italian div 1 Aug 43 and tgheir locations also commanders
22 Russia, reorganisation of II Corps, Info on German units and troops coming from Germany Sept43, OOB XXXV Corps, war diary of 4 Arty rgt
23 Torino zone military prep vs France. 2nd army Eastern sector defence against invasion, advance of Izonso and Lombardia div in Yugoslavia
43 VI Army Corps in Yugo, Notes on operations in Africa 1943, Chart showing marching order of truppe evacuation from Albania
24 Diario storico gruppe armate est from June 43
25A Brenner pass with defences and artillery ranges 1937-38. settor Bolzano XIV
25 report 9 Army in Albania, 11 Army in Greece, XXVI Corps Montenegro, with org charts Apr-Aug43, Bolzano defences
26 1939 Eastern Italy fortifications
27 more Eastern fortification 1938-39
28 more Eastern fortification 1938-39-40
29 more Eastern fortification 1938-39-40
30 Croatian troops to german navy, ITA general report in ASI (Jun41), Naval report on French general Weygand activities in ASI, Italian request of Grman armamnt 42-43
list of German material send and its quality , report of fall of Augusta by Roatta, railway defences 43, plans for artillery deployment in Bolzano 37-40
31 report on various weapons employed in El Alamein, detailed account of nfidaville battle, 43 AA defences in Italian cities with a list of most important cities, MVAC units, Croatia
XVI corps, directives on border recon and defences systems in Tarvisio area 1940
32 artillery deployment in XIV army corps Italian - Austrian border 39-41
33 1917-1940 maps and defence system in Treviso area, including WW1 period ones, XIV Corps north defences
34 mode XIV corps defences and Yugoslav army info
35 XIV and VI Corps mobilization plans
36 mobilization,Principal Deposits in Northern Italy and Padua main depot
37 Principal Deposits in Northern Italy and Padua main depot cont.
38 information oltre frontier, also cript info in passwords and counter passwords
39 Daily 2 Armata until 31 Oct 40, intl by 2 Armata on Yugo saide also fortifications, roads and charts, more XIV Corpo defences
I have started a systematic cursory review, it was long in the nights and my keyboard was acting up - it still is sometimes. So mistakes and typos abound.
8 Spain economy in 1940
9 German and Italian defence of Greece 1943
10 Brennero defences 35-43
11 Bolzano defence maps 37,
12 41-42 fortication in Italian Yugo border
13 More estern border fortications documents
14 Caporetto bridges, Gorizia Road chart, more eastern border defences
15 more eastern border defences
16 anti parachute, Udine terrotial defence. fortifs in eastern border, Venzia Julia defences
17 Udine Org chart XI corps, Org Chart forces Sicilia
18 fortifs albanian border with Ygoslavia, XXIV corps Goriza defences 1943, Fortifica and strade map of Ita-Yugo border 1939. more eastern side defences
19 more eastern border Uidena
20 Croatia with maps and troops. Geo-military study of Albanian-Greek theatre with Italian forces, Aeronautica against RN
21 Operazione in Sicilia July 43, Yugolavia subversion with maps, Comando Supremo org, Brennero road/rail protection, statistics german force sin Italy, actions against Italian coastal areas and ports, list of Italian div 1 Aug 43 and tgheir locations also commanders
22 Russia, reorganisation of II Corps, Info on German units and troops coming from Germany Sept43, OOB XXXV Corps, war diary of 4 Arty rgt
23 Torino zone military prep vs France. 2nd army Eastern sector defence against invasion, advance of Izonso and Lombardia div in Yugoslavia
43 VI Army Corps in Yugo, Notes on operations in Africa 1943, Chart showing marching order of truppe evacuation from Albania
24 Diario storico gruppe armate est from June 43
25A Brenner pass with defences and artillery ranges 1937-38. settor Bolzano XIV
25 report 9 Army in Albania, 11 Army in Greece, XXVI Corps Montenegro, with org charts Apr-Aug43, Bolzano defences
26 1939 Eastern Italy fortifications
27 more Eastern fortification 1938-39
28 more Eastern fortification 1938-39-40
29 more Eastern fortification 1938-39-40
30 Croatian troops to german navy, ITA general report in ASI (Jun41), Naval report on French general Weygand activities in ASI, Italian request of Grman armamnt 42-43
list of German material send and its quality , report of fall of Augusta by Roatta, railway defences 43, plans for artillery deployment in Bolzano 37-40
31 report on various weapons employed in El Alamein, detailed account of nfidaville battle, 43 AA defences in Italian cities with a list of most important cities, MVAC units, Croatia
XVI corps, directives on border recon and defences systems in Tarvisio area 1940
32 artillery deployment in XIV army corps Italian - Austrian border 39-41
33 1917-1940 maps and defence system in Treviso area, including WW1 period ones, XIV Corps north defences
34 mode XIV corps defences and Yugoslav army info
35 XIV and VI Corps mobilization plans
36 mobilization,Principal Deposits in Northern Italy and Padua main depot
37 Principal Deposits in Northern Italy and Padua main depot cont.
38 information oltre frontier, also cript info in passwords and counter passwords
39 Daily 2 Armata until 31 Oct 40, intl by 2 Armata on Yugo saide also fortifications, roads and charts, more XIV Corpo defences
40 more XIV corpo defence information, tech drawings and booklets for fortifications
41 maps of sicilia 1943 with various military information changes, XIV artillery dispositions and calibres Jan 1940
defencee plans of XI Corps Udine for XVII,XXI,XXII seettore GAF with troop locations etc Nov40-Jan41
more eastern dfence information
42 More XIV defences, now per sbarramento, but includes also maps
Treviso territorial zone 43 new methods of combat
43 Eastern Italy defences, Celere corps mobilization plans. map showing strong points in Italy-Austrian border, OOB Treviso Sep43
44 more specific Eastern and NE defences by sbarramenti
45 defence systems of Brennero, Carnia, Tarvisiano, Drava
fortifications study with german visit, data on French, German and Czech fortifications
46 More Treviso defence related docs
47 More treviso defence related, Directives of Fortification construction with tech drawings
48 directives on road constr. sitation maps and arament requests for fortifications
49 Eastern border, VI Corps artillery deplyment, maps, mobilization
50 Puglie Div - offensive and defensive studies , eastern border
Marche Div - idem
51 FF AA Slovenia.Dalmazia jan-Dec42 -Italian diispositions, projects for Cattaro, , partisan airfields, locations of Italian forces
2 Armata desciption of airfields used by Italians in Yugoslavia, maps and charts showing location units
52 Demarcation line between Italians and gernas in Yugo, anti partisan activity
53 Croat state, Chetcnik, Ustacha, develop in Partisan warfare. Yugo Occupation questions, political issues
54 continuation of 54 , defence of Adriatic coast, maps etc, TOE squadre servizi, More on coastal defences in Yugoslavia
55 Coastal defence of Cattaro, Trieste, more Yugo coastal defences. rail defence in yugo, Ustachas, Croatia
56 demarcation GER-ITA, Yugo maps monografias . defence line of Zara Sebenico
57 conventional termsn Italian Navy and 2 Armata in Yugo, tech manuals, code manuals
58 ustachas, anti partisan ops, Italo-Croat combined ops
59 combats against partisans, 6 Regg bersa in yugo, military organisation on Yugo conquered territories, situation maps V Corpo
diverse anti partisan operational reports
60 freindly fire of 39 Gruppo against german troops in Yugo, various anti partisan, Fiume defences
61 Italy Croat anti partisan, combat in Yugoslavia against partisans, Raggr tattico "Montana" CCNN, Defences of Lubiana
62 More Slovenia-Dalmazia ops, OOBs , Maps
63 More Slovenia-Dalmazia ops, OOBs , Maps
64 More Slovenia-Dalmazia ops, OOBs , Maps, some aerocooperation texts, sebenico defences, Perugia Div ciclist bn bad idea.Bergamo Div operations, Croat anti communist forces, Ita Gov conflict with General Armellini
65 Bosnia operations, Chetniks, Change of 2 Armata into CS Forze Armate Slovenia-Dalmazia, V and VI Corpo, Ploca harbour and exploitation of Bauxite and other mineral reosurces by Germans
maps showing strengh and location of partisan units in Bosnia and Ragusa, Motonave abbazia and german unit in Italian slovenia, 2 armata to XI corpo nd anti part, in Slovenia
66 Use of croats ustachas guarding railways, anti partisan. Ustacha results and cetnik ita cooperation, Operation Trio anti partisan,
67 Taurinense, Pusteria , Kampgruppe Bader, VI Corpo and air units for op in Southern Dalamazia and S.Bosnia
68 Military events 14-20 May 42 in Yugo, Ustacha crimes, troops location for next anti partisan op,, more . Consolidated reports on Yugo mil situation
69 Yugo incidents Jul-Dec42
41 maps of sicilia 1943 with various military information changes, XIV artillery dispositions and calibres Jan 1940
defencee plans of XI Corps Udine for XVII,XXI,XXII seettore GAF with troop locations etc Nov40-Jan41
more eastern dfence information
42 More XIV defences, now per sbarramento, but includes also maps
Treviso territorial zone 43 new methods of combat
43 Eastern Italy defences, Celere corps mobilization plans. map showing strong points in Italy-Austrian border, OOB Treviso Sep43
44 more specific Eastern and NE defences by sbarramenti
45 defence systems of Brennero, Carnia, Tarvisiano, Drava
fortifications study with german visit, data on French, German and Czech fortifications
46 More Treviso defence related docs
47 More treviso defence related, Directives of Fortification construction with tech drawings
48 directives on road constr. sitation maps and arament requests for fortifications
49 Eastern border, VI Corps artillery deplyment, maps, mobilization
50 Puglie Div - offensive and defensive studies , eastern border
Marche Div - idem
51 FF AA Slovenia.Dalmazia jan-Dec42 -Italian diispositions, projects for Cattaro, , partisan airfields, locations of Italian forces
2 Armata desciption of airfields used by Italians in Yugoslavia, maps and charts showing location units
52 Demarcation line between Italians and gernas in Yugo, anti partisan activity
53 Croat state, Chetcnik, Ustacha, develop in Partisan warfare. Yugo Occupation questions, political issues
54 continuation of 54 , defence of Adriatic coast, maps etc, TOE squadre servizi, More on coastal defences in Yugoslavia
55 Coastal defence of Cattaro, Trieste, more Yugo coastal defences. rail defence in yugo, Ustachas, Croatia
56 demarcation GER-ITA, Yugo maps monografias . defence line of Zara Sebenico
57 conventional termsn Italian Navy and 2 Armata in Yugo, tech manuals, code manuals
58 ustachas, anti partisan ops, Italo-Croat combined ops
59 combats against partisans, 6 Regg bersa in yugo, military organisation on Yugo conquered territories, situation maps V Corpo
diverse anti partisan operational reports
60 freindly fire of 39 Gruppo against german troops in Yugo, various anti partisan, Fiume defences
61 Italy Croat anti partisan, combat in Yugoslavia against partisans, Raggr tattico "Montana" CCNN, Defences of Lubiana
62 More Slovenia-Dalmazia ops, OOBs , Maps
63 More Slovenia-Dalmazia ops, OOBs , Maps
64 More Slovenia-Dalmazia ops, OOBs , Maps, some aerocooperation texts, sebenico defences, Perugia Div ciclist bn bad idea.Bergamo Div operations, Croat anti communist forces, Ita Gov conflict with General Armellini
65 Bosnia operations, Chetniks, Change of 2 Armata into CS Forze Armate Slovenia-Dalmazia, V and VI Corpo, Ploca harbour and exploitation of Bauxite and other mineral reosurces by Germans
maps showing strengh and location of partisan units in Bosnia and Ragusa, Motonave abbazia and german unit in Italian slovenia, 2 armata to XI corpo nd anti part, in Slovenia
66 Use of croats ustachas guarding railways, anti partisan. Ustacha results and cetnik ita cooperation, Operation Trio anti partisan,
67 Taurinense, Pusteria , Kampgruppe Bader, VI Corpo and air units for op in Southern Dalamazia and S.Bosnia
68 Military events 14-20 May 42 in Yugo, Ustacha crimes, troops location for next anti partisan op,, more . Consolidated reports on Yugo mil situation
69 Yugo incidents Jul-Dec42