Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:49 PM by Oasis
Hi all
have you anu reference about the presence of remnants of Brescia, Pavia and 1 Artiglieria Celere after El Alamein into the italian forces 1942-1943 onto Tunisia ?
Thanks in advance
Toni
Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:32 AM by antonio
I will try to check tonight.
I remember that the remnants of XX Corpo were gather together
The Trieste division was reinforced with remnants of other divisions
Best regards
Antonio
Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:53 AM by Oasis
any date from november 1942 to the end of Africa campaign is welcome... thanks
Toni
Posted 16 April 2009 - 07:06 PM by antonio
Composition of German-Italian Armored Army on 5th November:
XX Corpo d'Armata:
Ariete Division: 2 coys Bersaglieri, 2 guns
Littorio Division: 2 coys Bersaglieri, 2 guns
Trieste Division: I/66 Inf Reg, II/66 Inf Reg, 4 guns
Ad-hoc Tank Coy: 12 tanks
XXI Corpo d'Armata:
Lupi di Toscana Btn (originally was intended to go to Trento Division)
I/39 Bologna Inf Reg
Ad-hoc Btn I/40 Bologna Inf Reg
1 Group/205º Artiglieria
X Corpo d'Armata:
Brescia Division, was retiring divided in three echelons:
Motor: Vehicles, 1º Articelere, XXXI Guastatori
Foot: 19º Inf Reg, 20º Inf Reg
Autoportato (do not know how to say in English): XXVIII/9º Bersaglieri, V/8º Bersaglieri, II/1º Articelere
Folgore Division
Pavia Division:
Rearguard: II/27º Inf Reg, III/26º Artiglieria
Motor Echelon
Foot Echelon
DAK:
15 Panzer Division: 8 Tanks, 200 men, 12 guns, 4 Antitank guns
21 Panzer Division: 30 Tanks, 400 men, 25 guns, 16 Antitank guns
164 Light Division: 600 men
5th-6th November: Brescia Division destroyed
6th November: Folgore Division was captured at Bab el Qaub
7th November: Hq and General Nebbia of X Corpo d'Armata were captured
After an engagement 21 Panzer Division is reduced to 4 tanks and 1 Btn
Posted 18 April 2009 - 06:22 AM by Oasis
thanks Antonio
I was also interested after 6th november.
I have some good notices about Trieste from Lupo (thread: "What happened to the soldiers after El Alamein?") who reports presence of Brescia and Pavia personnel into I/65 btn, Folgore into I-III/66 btn.
No other mentions about 1st Artiglieria Celere (HQ) that probably joined the artillery of other division :?: .
Have you something more ?
Regards
Toni (me too Antonio!)
Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:54 AM by antonio
9th november:
Deployement of the ACIT
DAK and 288 Gruppe Menton: Sidi Barrani
XX Cd'A and AA3: Sollum
XXI Cd'A Halfaya
Pistoia: Cdo, 35 fanteria (I,III Btg), 36 fanteria (II Btg), III/3 Art, II/336 Piceno, II/350 marcia, Gruppo 100/17, II/24 Regg Art Cd'A, 2º/III Gruppo Monferrato, 1 cp carri formazione, 1 batt smv
AA580: Sidi Omar
164 Leichte Division, Brigade Ramcke: Bardia
90 Leichte Division: 40 km East Sidi Barrani
GGFF and IV Btg Libico: marching from Siwa to Giarabub
IX Btg Autonomo: Giarabub
X/7º Bersaglieri:
Hi all
have you anu reference about the presence of remnants of Brescia, Pavia and 1 Artiglieria Celere after El Alamein into the italian forces 1942-1943 onto Tunisia ?
Thanks in advance
Toni
Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:32 AM by antonio
I will try to check tonight.
I remember that the remnants of XX Corpo were gather together
The Trieste division was reinforced with remnants of other divisions
Best regards
Antonio
Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:53 AM by Oasis
any date from november 1942 to the end of Africa campaign is welcome... thanks
Toni
Posted 16 April 2009 - 07:06 PM by antonio
Composition of German-Italian Armored Army on 5th November:
XX Corpo d'Armata:
Ariete Division: 2 coys Bersaglieri, 2 guns
Littorio Division: 2 coys Bersaglieri, 2 guns
Trieste Division: I/66 Inf Reg, II/66 Inf Reg, 4 guns
Ad-hoc Tank Coy: 12 tanks
XXI Corpo d'Armata:
Lupi di Toscana Btn (originally was intended to go to Trento Division)
I/39 Bologna Inf Reg
Ad-hoc Btn I/40 Bologna Inf Reg
1 Group/205º Artiglieria
X Corpo d'Armata:
Brescia Division, was retiring divided in three echelons:
Motor: Vehicles, 1º Articelere, XXXI Guastatori
Foot: 19º Inf Reg, 20º Inf Reg
Autoportato (do not know how to say in English): XXVIII/9º Bersaglieri, V/8º Bersaglieri, II/1º Articelere
Folgore Division
Pavia Division:
Rearguard: II/27º Inf Reg, III/26º Artiglieria
Motor Echelon
Foot Echelon
DAK:
15 Panzer Division: 8 Tanks, 200 men, 12 guns, 4 Antitank guns
21 Panzer Division: 30 Tanks, 400 men, 25 guns, 16 Antitank guns
164 Light Division: 600 men
5th-6th November: Brescia Division destroyed
6th November: Folgore Division was captured at Bab el Qaub
7th November: Hq and General Nebbia of X Corpo d'Armata were captured
After an engagement 21 Panzer Division is reduced to 4 tanks and 1 Btn
Posted 18 April 2009 - 06:22 AM by Oasis
thanks Antonio
I was also interested after 6th november.
I have some good notices about Trieste from Lupo (thread: "What happened to the soldiers after El Alamein?") who reports presence of Brescia and Pavia personnel into I/65 btn, Folgore into I-III/66 btn.
No other mentions about 1st Artiglieria Celere (HQ) that probably joined the artillery of other division :?: .
Have you something more ?
Regards
Toni (me too Antonio!)
Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:54 AM by antonio
9th november:
Deployement of the ACIT
DAK and 288 Gruppe Menton: Sidi Barrani
XX Cd'A and AA3: Sollum
XXI Cd'A Halfaya
Pistoia: Cdo, 35 fanteria (I,III Btg), 36 fanteria (II Btg), III/3 Art, II/336 Piceno, II/350 marcia, Gruppo 100/17, II/24 Regg Art Cd'A, 2º/III Gruppo Monferrato, 1 cp carri formazione, 1 batt smv
AA580: Sidi Omar
164 Leichte Division, Brigade Ramcke: Bardia
90 Leichte Division: 40 km East Sidi Barrani
GGFF and IV Btg Libico: marching from Siwa to Giarabub
IX Btg Autonomo: Giarabub
X/7º Bersaglieri:
