Posted 22 July 2005 - 07:23 AM by david
Can anyone confirm the existence of a 36th Libyan Battalion.? And if so, identify a parent unit also?
Ta
Posted 22 July 2005 - 09:32 AM by diciassette2000
Hi David
That battalion doesnt exist.....Only XXXIV battaglione libico formed with the survivings of Maletti Group lost during Compass and melt some month later for others battalion (new formations) and XXXV battaglione libico like a "transition" (battaglione di formazione) battalion melt some month later.
Hope it help
Maurizio
Posted 22 July 2005 - 12:21 PM by david
Yes. That helps.
Thanks.
Posted 21 May 2007 - 11:20 AM by antonio
In Mario Montanari Vol II, Africa Settentrionale I found the following Lybian Battalions in March 1941
XVIII
XXXII
XXXVI
XXXVII
XXXVIII
Can anybody tell me more about this battalions. When were formed and dissolved?
kind regards
antonio
Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:38 PM by diciassette2000
Hi at all
The XVIII Libyan battalion "Garian" mobilize in 1940 year ,fate unknow
The XXXII Libyan battalion mobilize end 1940, at Tobruk for coastal defence, destroyed 1941 in Tobruk
The XXXVI Libyan battalion never existed only XXXIV mobilize at Derna with stragglers of Maletti Group, demobilized four months. Soldiers gone into other libian battalions
The XXXVII Libyan battalion never existed only XXXVIII sme fate XXXIV
Hope it help
Maurizio
Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:26 PM by antonio
Thanks a lot Maurizio, you've been very helpful.
Which were the Libyan Battalions in existence at the end of march 1941?.
Maybe:
XVIII
XXXIV
XXXV
XXXVIII
In october 1942, according to Dr. Niehorster web site there were the following:
III
IV
V
Should not be a I and II Lybian battalions? I imagine that the firsts battalions were dissolved to formed these new ones.
Kind regards
Antonio
Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:34 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Antonio
After Beda Fomm all the libian battalions were demobilized for built "Battaglioni libici permanenti" numbered 1 to 6. All the old battalion disbanded.
The 1 battalion rebuild 1-1941 disbanded 1-1943
The 2 battalion same fate 1st battalion
The 3 battalion same fate 1st battalion
The 4 battalion rebuild 12-1940 disbanded 11-1942
The 5 battalion rebuild 2-1942 disbanded 1-1943
The 6 battalion same fate 5 battalion
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 24 May 2007 - 01:41 PM by david
So, let me get this right. Are you saying that by February 1942 there were only six Libica Battaglione, numbered 1 through 6. And that any other info to the contrary is incorrect?
I just want to be sure!
Do we know which 'old' Battaglione formed which 'new' Battaglione after Beda Fomm?
Posted 24 May 2007 - 06:55 PM by antonio
Hi Maurizio, Thanks
Since I can trace only IV-VI lybian battalions, do you know where were the other 3 battalions (place of garrison)?
Best regards
Antonio
Posted 25 May 2007 - 02:04 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Antonio
Difficult to trace the history of 1-6 "battaglioni libici permanenti"...!!! To make the thing very difficoult is also that some books expecially war-timing books- call them with old number (all 30-38 numbers).... After Beda Fomm the fate of Truppe Libiche was garrison duties and for all the residually time of the Libian Campaign they form the garrison of Fezzan-Tripolitania and Sahara Libico.....
At 3/1941 I find (with many trouble...)
-sei battaglioni libici non indivisionati (6 libian battalion "permanenti")
-23 compagnie libiche da posizione (garrison libian coys)
-una batteria cammellata libica (da 65/17 organizzate come i reparti nazionali)(65/17 camel coy)
-cinque compagnie Sahariane (5 Saharian coys)
-tre compagnie meharisti (3 meharisti -camel- coys)
-un gruppo squadroni Savari (Libian cavalry)
At 10/1941
-quattro battaglioni libici non indivisionati (the 2nd and 3rd battalion reduced to cadre)
-23 compagnie libiche da posizione
-una batteria cammellata libica (da 65/17 organizzate come i reparti nazionali)
-sei compagnie Sahariane
-due compagnie meharisti
-un gruppo squadroni Savari
-due gruppi Spahis (libian cavalry)
-Reparti Zaptiè (colonial police)
Strange thing the units disbanded after El Alamein retreat (Tunisian border) result....
-1.o, 2.o, 4.o, 5.o, 6.o e 7.o battaglione libico ?????????
-1.a batteria cammellata libica da 65/17
-1.a e 2.a batteria sahariana da 75/27
-63.a compagnia libica mortai da 81mm
-1.o gruppo squadroni Savari
-1.o gruppo squadroni Spahis
-Reparti Zaptiè (polizia coloniale)
The uncorrect record phreaps a typo (7nd for 3rd....???)
Hope it help
Posted 25 May 2007 - 04:28 PM by antonio
Dr. Niehorster's web site makes a distinction betwenn lybian garrison companies and lybian MG static companies. Was this distinction real?
I can trace 52º-61º cp mitraglieri de posizione libiche
1º-5º cp sahariana
828º, 829º, 838º and 840º batterie 77/28 GaF
1º cp meharisti del Fezzan, 2º meharisti dello Sciati and 3º meharisti della chibla
All these units were in Comando Sahara Libico.
Do you know the numbers of the rest of the lybian companies. I suppose they were in Comando Tripolitania
Posted 27 May 2007 - 03:48 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Antonio
From 1939 all the Compagnie Presidiarie Libiche (libian garrison coys)reverted in Compagnie Mitraglieri da posizione libiche (positional libian MG coys) but some books (also officially) call the coys with old name and so.......much confusion......
The libian MG coys are also in other site during ww2 Nordafrica campaign dont only in Sahara Libico
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 10 June 2007 - 08:22 AM
Hi Maurizio,
Hi Maurizio,
Beda Fomm battle dated 7/2/1941. It is possible that battalion 1°-3° are rebuilded in 1/1941?
1° battaglione libico: in 1/1941 its number and its flag were taken by the XXXII battaglione libico
source: P. Crociani-A. Viotti, Uniformi coloniali libiche 1912-1942, page 12
Help me please
Best regards
Posted 10 June 2007 - 02:37 PM by diciassette2000
Hi
I have these date
Mobilized 1912 demobilized 1929 (5.o Gruppo Sahariano), mobilized 1935 demobilized 12-1940 after Sidi el Barrani battle (sorry...!!!!), mobilized 1/1941 with new number 32.o battaglione libico renumbered 1.o battaglione libico ???/1941 demobilized 1-1943
In effect Vito have reason......sorry my mistake.....
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 10 June 2007 - 02:37 PM by diciassette2000
Hi
I have these date
Mobilized 1912 demobilized 1929 (5.o Gruppo Sahariano), mobilized 1935 demobilized 12-1940 after Sidi el Barrani battle (sorry...!!!!), mobilized 1/1941 with new number 32.o battaglione libico renumbered 1.o battaglione libico ???/1941 demobilized 1-1943
In effect Vito have reason......sorry my mistake.....
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 10 June 2007 - 03:06 PM by vzita
Hi Maurizio,
Also the other regiments (2°-3°) have been demobilized after the battle of Sidi el Barrani and not after the battle of Beda Fomm? Correct?
thanks
Vito
Posted 16 June 2007 - 03:47 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Vito
Yes correct....!!!!
PS
Where gone forum Regio Esercito
Posted 16 June 2007 - 04:19 PM by vzita
Hi Maurizio,
Closed... sorry
The new link is a forum of militaria
Bye
VZ
Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:55 PM Dili
I have found a postal that says is from XXXVII Libico Btg : http://forum.aicpm.n...t=2481&start=20
Posted 25 April 2017 - 05:41 AM by david
Hi.
Unless I'm missing something, it appears to be one hand written mention using Roman numerals. Far from proof, but interesting none the less. Thanks for posting.
Best wishes,
David.
Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:17 PM by diciassette2000
In effect on 1/4/1941 in the "Settore Hon" I find a 37.o battagline libico (XXXVII)....a my mistake.....
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:41 PM by david
Thanks!
Does anyone have it present before then?
Kind Regards,
David.
Posted 27 April 2017 - 07:42 PM by david
Or present at any other location in 1941/2?
Posted 27 April 2017 - 09:04 PM by Dili
Thanks for confirmation Maurizio.
Can anyone confirm the existence of a 36th Libyan Battalion.? And if so, identify a parent unit also?
Ta
Posted 22 July 2005 - 09:32 AM by diciassette2000
Hi David
That battalion doesnt exist.....Only XXXIV battaglione libico formed with the survivings of Maletti Group lost during Compass and melt some month later for others battalion (new formations) and XXXV battaglione libico like a "transition" (battaglione di formazione) battalion melt some month later.
Hope it help
Maurizio
Posted 22 July 2005 - 12:21 PM by david
Yes. That helps.
Thanks.
Posted 21 May 2007 - 11:20 AM by antonio
In Mario Montanari Vol II, Africa Settentrionale I found the following Lybian Battalions in March 1941
XVIII
XXXII
XXXVI
XXXVII
XXXVIII
Can anybody tell me more about this battalions. When were formed and dissolved?
kind regards
antonio
Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:38 PM by diciassette2000
Hi at all
The XVIII Libyan battalion "Garian" mobilize in 1940 year ,fate unknow
The XXXII Libyan battalion mobilize end 1940, at Tobruk for coastal defence, destroyed 1941 in Tobruk
The XXXVI Libyan battalion never existed only XXXIV mobilize at Derna with stragglers of Maletti Group, demobilized four months. Soldiers gone into other libian battalions
The XXXVII Libyan battalion never existed only XXXVIII sme fate XXXIV
Hope it help
Maurizio
Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:26 PM by antonio
Thanks a lot Maurizio, you've been very helpful.
Which were the Libyan Battalions in existence at the end of march 1941?.
Maybe:
XVIII
XXXIV
XXXV
XXXVIII
In october 1942, according to Dr. Niehorster web site there were the following:
III
IV
V
Should not be a I and II Lybian battalions? I imagine that the firsts battalions were dissolved to formed these new ones.
Kind regards
Antonio
Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:34 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Antonio
After Beda Fomm all the libian battalions were demobilized for built "Battaglioni libici permanenti" numbered 1 to 6. All the old battalion disbanded.
The 1 battalion rebuild 1-1941 disbanded 1-1943
The 2 battalion same fate 1st battalion
The 3 battalion same fate 1st battalion
The 4 battalion rebuild 12-1940 disbanded 11-1942
The 5 battalion rebuild 2-1942 disbanded 1-1943
The 6 battalion same fate 5 battalion
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 24 May 2007 - 01:41 PM by david
After Beda Fomm all the Libyan battalions were demobilized for built "Battaglioni libici permanenti" numbered 1 to 6. All the old battalion disbanded.
So, let me get this right. Are you saying that by February 1942 there were only six Libica Battaglione, numbered 1 through 6. And that any other info to the contrary is incorrect?
I just want to be sure!
Do we know which 'old' Battaglione formed which 'new' Battaglione after Beda Fomm?
Posted 24 May 2007 - 06:55 PM by antonio
Hi Maurizio, Thanks
Since I can trace only IV-VI lybian battalions, do you know where were the other 3 battalions (place of garrison)?
Best regards
Antonio
Posted 25 May 2007 - 02:04 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Antonio
Difficult to trace the history of 1-6 "battaglioni libici permanenti"...!!! To make the thing very difficoult is also that some books expecially war-timing books- call them with old number (all 30-38 numbers).... After Beda Fomm the fate of Truppe Libiche was garrison duties and for all the residually time of the Libian Campaign they form the garrison of Fezzan-Tripolitania and Sahara Libico.....
At 3/1941 I find (with many trouble...)
-sei battaglioni libici non indivisionati (6 libian battalion "permanenti")
-23 compagnie libiche da posizione (garrison libian coys)
-una batteria cammellata libica (da 65/17 organizzate come i reparti nazionali)(65/17 camel coy)
-cinque compagnie Sahariane (5 Saharian coys)
-tre compagnie meharisti (3 meharisti -camel- coys)
-un gruppo squadroni Savari (Libian cavalry)
At 10/1941
-quattro battaglioni libici non indivisionati (the 2nd and 3rd battalion reduced to cadre)
-23 compagnie libiche da posizione
-una batteria cammellata libica (da 65/17 organizzate come i reparti nazionali)
-sei compagnie Sahariane
-due compagnie meharisti
-un gruppo squadroni Savari
-due gruppi Spahis (libian cavalry)
-Reparti Zaptiè (colonial police)
Strange thing the units disbanded after El Alamein retreat (Tunisian border) result....
-1.o, 2.o, 4.o, 5.o, 6.o e 7.o battaglione libico ?????????
-1.a batteria cammellata libica da 65/17
-1.a e 2.a batteria sahariana da 75/27
-63.a compagnia libica mortai da 81mm
-1.o gruppo squadroni Savari
-1.o gruppo squadroni Spahis
-Reparti Zaptiè (polizia coloniale)
The uncorrect record phreaps a typo (7nd for 3rd....???)
Hope it help
Posted 25 May 2007 - 04:28 PM by antonio
Dr. Niehorster's web site makes a distinction betwenn lybian garrison companies and lybian MG static companies. Was this distinction real?
I can trace 52º-61º cp mitraglieri de posizione libiche
1º-5º cp sahariana
828º, 829º, 838º and 840º batterie 77/28 GaF
1º cp meharisti del Fezzan, 2º meharisti dello Sciati and 3º meharisti della chibla
All these units were in Comando Sahara Libico.
Do you know the numbers of the rest of the lybian companies. I suppose they were in Comando Tripolitania
Posted 27 May 2007 - 03:48 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Antonio
From 1939 all the Compagnie Presidiarie Libiche (libian garrison coys)reverted in Compagnie Mitraglieri da posizione libiche (positional libian MG coys) but some books (also officially) call the coys with old name and so.......much confusion......
The libian MG coys are also in other site during ww2 Nordafrica campaign dont only in Sahara Libico
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 10 June 2007 - 08:22 AM
After Beda Fomm all the libian battalions were demobilized for built "Battaglioni libici permanenti" numbered 1 to 6. All the old battalion disbanded.
The 1 battalion rebuild 1-1941 disbanded 1-1943
The 2 battalion same fate 1st battalion
The 3 battalion same fate 1st battalion
Hi Maurizio,
Hi Maurizio,
Beda Fomm battle dated 7/2/1941. It is possible that battalion 1°-3° are rebuilded in 1/1941?
1° battaglione libico: in 1/1941 its number and its flag were taken by the XXXII battaglione libico
source: P. Crociani-A. Viotti, Uniformi coloniali libiche 1912-1942, page 12
Help me please
Best regards
Posted 10 June 2007 - 02:37 PM by diciassette2000
Hi
I have these date
Mobilized 1912 demobilized 1929 (5.o Gruppo Sahariano), mobilized 1935 demobilized 12-1940 after Sidi el Barrani battle (sorry...!!!!), mobilized 1/1941 with new number 32.o battaglione libico renumbered 1.o battaglione libico ???/1941 demobilized 1-1943
In effect Vito have reason......sorry my mistake.....
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 10 June 2007 - 02:37 PM by diciassette2000
Hi
I have these date
Mobilized 1912 demobilized 1929 (5.o Gruppo Sahariano), mobilized 1935 demobilized 12-1940 after Sidi el Barrani battle (sorry...!!!!), mobilized 1/1941 with new number 32.o battaglione libico renumbered 1.o battaglione libico ???/1941 demobilized 1-1943
In effect Vito have reason......sorry my mistake.....
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 10 June 2007 - 03:06 PM by vzita
Hi Maurizio,
Also the other regiments (2°-3°) have been demobilized after the battle of Sidi el Barrani and not after the battle of Beda Fomm? Correct?
thanks
Vito
Posted 16 June 2007 - 03:47 PM by diciassette2000
Hi Vito
Yes correct....!!!!
PS
Where gone forum Regio Esercito
Posted 16 June 2007 - 04:19 PM by vzita
Where gone forum Regio Esercito
Hi Maurizio,
Closed... sorry
The new link is a forum of militaria
Bye
VZ
Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:55 PM Dili
Hi at all
The XVIII Libian battalion "Garian" mobilize in 1940 year ,fate unknow
The XXXII LIbian battalion mobilize end 1940, at Tobruk for coastal defence, destroyed 1941 in Tobruk
The XXXVI Libian battalion never existed only XXXIV mobilize at Derna with stragglers of Maletti Group, demobilized four months. Soldiers gone into other libian battalions
The XXXVII Libian battalion never existed only XXXVIII sme fate XXXIV
Hope it help
Maurizio
I have found a postal that says is from XXXVII Libico Btg : http://forum.aicpm.n...t=2481&start=20
Posted 25 April 2017 - 05:41 AM by david
Hi.
Unless I'm missing something, it appears to be one hand written mention using Roman numerals. Far from proof, but interesting none the less. Thanks for posting.
Best wishes,
David.
Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:17 PM by diciassette2000
I have found a postal that says is from XXXVII Libico Btg : http://forum.aicpm.n...t=2481&start=20
In effect on 1/4/1941 in the "Settore Hon" I find a 37.o battagline libico (XXXVII)....a my mistake.....
All the best
Maurizio
Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:41 PM by david
Thanks!
Does anyone have it present before then?
Kind Regards,
David.
Posted 27 April 2017 - 07:42 PM by david
Or present at any other location in 1941/2?
Posted 27 April 2017 - 09:04 PM by Dili
Thanks for confirmation Maurizio.
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