Posted 01 April 2008 - 10:53 AM by david
Am I right in thinking that the 65th & 66th Reggimento Fanteria spent the entire peroid of 1940-1942 with only 2x Battaglione per Reggimento? Unlike TRENTO's Reggimento, which each received a third Battaglione in 1942.
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:28 PM by Lupo Solitario
No, during Crusader each regiment was on I and II infantry battalion and III weapons battalion
Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:30 PM by Granatiere
No David, you're wrong. When Trieste come in Africa in sept 1941 was so formed:
65 reggimento fanteria "aspera quero " (col. G. Valarini)
I battaglione (maj. Ferrara)
II battaglione (maj. Reverberi )
III battaglione armi accompagnamento (maj. Rossi)
autoreparto reggimentale;
66 reggimento fanteria "Age, tutus eris " (col. C. Fabozzi)
I battaglione (maj Marno)
II battaglione (lt.col. Odoardi)
III battaglione armi accompagnamento (maj. Taddei)
autoreparto reggimentale,
plus 9 reggimento bersaglieri
(four battalions: XXVIII, XXX, XXXII, XL),
DVIII btg aa (on recostitution),
21 regg. Artiglieria,
LII btg misto Genio.
Posted 01 April 2008 - 10:14 PM by Granatiere
In January 1942 due to the heavy losses in Crusader the two infantry regiments were reduced to two battalions and a mortar company. The 9 Bersaglieri was at first reduced to three battalions (XXVIII, XXXII, XL), but at the end of january XL battaglione was also dissolved
Posted 01 April 2008 - 11:07 PM by david
Thanks guys.
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:55 AM by david
Do we know the structure of III battaglione armi accompagnamento (maj. Rossi) autoreparto reggimentale in late 1941?
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:09 PM by dor1941
Agar-Hamilton and Turner (The Sidi Rezegh Battles 1941, p. 476) simply reports the 65o reggimento fanteria had a battaglione armi di accompagnamento e controcarro with one compagnia each of "20/35 anti-aircraft guns, 47/32 anti-tank guns, 81 mm. mortars and heavy machine-guns" in Crusader- certainly a reference to the III battaglione. AH & T most probably got this information from their primary Italian source Seconda offensiva in Africa Settentrionale e ripiegamento italo-tedesco nella Sirtica Orientale 18 Novembre 1941-17 Gennaio 1942, Officio Storico SME, Roma 1949.
I believe the autoreparto reggimentale mentioned was the regimental motor transport unit.
David R
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:34 PM by david
Thanks.
Presumably III/66 would be the same?
Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:24 AM by dor1941
David
That would be a good bet, but for Crusader I could not find either a description of the battaglione as a mixed heavy weapons unit or a clue as to its structure. Montanari (pp. 582-93) does describe in some detail the activities of all three battaglioni of the 66˚ reggimento while holding the sector facing Ed Duda and Sidi Rezegh, November 26-27, but doesn't specifically address your question. Interestingly, Agar-Hamilton and Turner describe the regiment as having "Three battalions each of three companies of infantry and one company of anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons." Of course, their 'track record' regarding Italian units and their organization is pretty weak.
The III/66o fanteria was definitely supposed to be a battaglione armi di accompagnamento during Crusader, but I haven't found definitive proof of it yet. (Perhaps your skepticism is becoming contagious )
David R
Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:55 PM by david
Thank you David.
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 24 November 2011 - 03:36 PM by david
Do we know when the Battaglioni of 65th & 66th Reggimenti started to be converted to the AS42 scheme, and how complete they ever got?
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:52 PM by david
Did the 65th & 66th Regiments really arrive in North Africa as early as September 1941? I thought that it was close to November?
Cheers; Dave.
Am I right in thinking that the 65th & 66th Reggimento Fanteria spent the entire peroid of 1940-1942 with only 2x Battaglione per Reggimento? Unlike TRENTO's Reggimento, which each received a third Battaglione in 1942.
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:28 PM by Lupo Solitario
No, during Crusader each regiment was on I and II infantry battalion and III weapons battalion
Posted 01 April 2008 - 09:30 PM by Granatiere
No David, you're wrong. When Trieste come in Africa in sept 1941 was so formed:
65 reggimento fanteria "aspera quero " (col. G. Valarini)
I battaglione (maj. Ferrara)
II battaglione (maj. Reverberi )
III battaglione armi accompagnamento (maj. Rossi)
autoreparto reggimentale;
66 reggimento fanteria "Age, tutus eris " (col. C. Fabozzi)
I battaglione (maj Marno)
II battaglione (lt.col. Odoardi)
III battaglione armi accompagnamento (maj. Taddei)
autoreparto reggimentale,
plus 9 reggimento bersaglieri
(four battalions: XXVIII, XXX, XXXII, XL),
DVIII btg aa (on recostitution),
21 regg. Artiglieria,
LII btg misto Genio.
Posted 01 April 2008 - 10:14 PM by Granatiere
In January 1942 due to the heavy losses in Crusader the two infantry regiments were reduced to two battalions and a mortar company. The 9 Bersaglieri was at first reduced to three battalions (XXVIII, XXXII, XL), but at the end of january XL battaglione was also dissolved
Posted 01 April 2008 - 11:07 PM by david
Thanks guys.
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:55 AM by david
Do we know the structure of III battaglione armi accompagnamento (maj. Rossi) autoreparto reggimentale in late 1941?
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:09 PM by dor1941
Agar-Hamilton and Turner (The Sidi Rezegh Battles 1941, p. 476) simply reports the 65o reggimento fanteria had a battaglione armi di accompagnamento e controcarro with one compagnia each of "20/35 anti-aircraft guns, 47/32 anti-tank guns, 81 mm. mortars and heavy machine-guns" in Crusader- certainly a reference to the III battaglione. AH & T most probably got this information from their primary Italian source Seconda offensiva in Africa Settentrionale e ripiegamento italo-tedesco nella Sirtica Orientale 18 Novembre 1941-17 Gennaio 1942, Officio Storico SME, Roma 1949.
I believe the autoreparto reggimentale mentioned was the regimental motor transport unit.
David R
Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:34 PM by david
Thanks.
Presumably III/66 would be the same?
Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:24 AM by dor1941
David
That would be a good bet, but for Crusader I could not find either a description of the battaglione as a mixed heavy weapons unit or a clue as to its structure. Montanari (pp. 582-93) does describe in some detail the activities of all three battaglioni of the 66˚ reggimento while holding the sector facing Ed Duda and Sidi Rezegh, November 26-27, but doesn't specifically address your question. Interestingly, Agar-Hamilton and Turner describe the regiment as having "Three battalions each of three companies of infantry and one company of anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons." Of course, their 'track record' regarding Italian units and their organization is pretty weak.
The III/66o fanteria was definitely supposed to be a battaglione armi di accompagnamento during Crusader, but I haven't found definitive proof of it yet. (Perhaps your skepticism is becoming contagious )
David R
Posted 27 June 2011 - 10:55 PM by david
Thank you David.
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 24 November 2011 - 03:36 PM by david
Do we know when the Battaglioni of 65th & 66th Reggimenti started to be converted to the AS42 scheme, and how complete they ever got?
Cheers; Dave.
Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:52 PM by david
Did the 65th & 66th Regiments really arrive in North Africa as early as September 1941? I thought that it was close to November?
Cheers; Dave.
